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Definitely sandbagging, so I'll be looking for your fabulous negative split on Sunday.
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Mark B wrote:Definitely sandbagging, so I'll be looking for your fabulous negative split on Sunday.
Yes, m'lord. Experience tells me the best I can do is to stem some of the late race bleed. Mile 23 is the worst mile because it has 2 successive underpasses to traverse. So if I'm doing the 13:10 to that point, I'll 'work' the last 5K like a 4th down and 1 yard to go, where I'm the whole offense. The line has to do their job, so the running back can find that seemingly clogged up gap, but slips through for a 5K gain and a touchdown.
Today is a 2 mile run at a sub-13 pace so I can give the body the memory of not doing 'easy' runs that had been the theme for last week. Massage at 10. I still have a very stuffy nose, but no coughing. The stuffy nose has affected my sleep for the past two nights, hence why I'm up at 4, this morning. I don't expect it to be a problem during the race because the constant active breathing will literally blow the snot out.
Maybe a movie, this afternoon. Then, an easy dinner of some sort of sandwich because I've found that eating some carbs the night before reduces the likelihood of unwanted bowel activity. How's that for tact in text??? I might try a nap, since sleeping in the night is short.
The weather is following the path forecasted, so far. It was 71 degrees, yesterday, and it's supposed to be about 62 with a 30-40% chance of rain, then the much cooler air is to slip in tonight for the Sunday morning low of 38 or 39 degrees. Right now at my neighborhood Weatherbug site, it's 47 degrees.
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Sounds like a great plan! Just watch behind you when you deploy those Hellfire Snot Missiles on race day.
Good luck out there tomorrow. Make sure to save some in your tank for a flashy finish.
Good luck out there tomorrow. Make sure to save some in your tank for a flashy finish.
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With multiple warheads, too!Mark B wrote:Sounds like a great plan! Just watch behind you when you deploy those Hellfire Snot Missiles on race day.
Good luck out there tomorrow. Make sure to save some in your tank for a flashy finish.
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I ran the two miles, this morning, at 12:30 and 12:38, respectively. It felt good, although a bit of huffin 'n puffin. I attribute that to not running near that pace for 2 weeks. HR was 152 for most of the run.
Clearing out the congestion was rather fun. But about 30 minutes later, I was loosening up some phlegm from my chest. I guess that's par for the course in that while the non-running breathing does not cause coughing, the breathing under 'stress' caused some loosening up after the run. So it would seem that post-race, I should expect some coughing. And I do sort of see how people don't run with a chest cold.
Thanks, Mark. I'll probably post once more, likely in the morning.
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I'll be cheering you on from Central Oregon...
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In about 15 minutes. Thanks!Michele \"1L" Keane wrote:Go Doug Go!!!!!!!!
Thanks, Nancy. I hope to finish official and upright.nkrichards wrote:I'll be cheering you on from Central Oregon...
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I took a 2 hour nap, yesterday afternoon. I was really tired because I was watching a show on BBQ and nodding off. I love watching BBQ shows on PBS.
Overnight, I slept solid from 10-2, then an hour, then 30 minutes, then the alarm awoke me at 4. It's 40 degrees and the TV is showing north winds at 13. No big deal. The sky is mostly cloudy, but there are pockets of the night sky showing. I'll try to leave for the GRB, downtown, in about 15 minutes.
I feel good. I'm ready. Things are copacedic. If things go as planned, in 8 hours I will have my 8th official finish. It takes 10 to be a 'veteran' Houston Marathon finisher.
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Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
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Thanks, Mark! I had a pacer for 2-1/2 (miles 23 to 25-1/2), which made my official finish by 3 minutes and 20 seconds a reality. He kept me moving at whatever pace I wanted, but he kept me moving.Mark B wrote:Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I have no injuries, other than overuse. I shall try to crawl into the shower, then head over to Fuzzy's Pizza.
That's my 8th official Houston finish.
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Congrats, Doug! Followed along until I had to board my plane home. Nice job!
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Well done Doug! Hope you enjoyed the shower and the pizza.
Rest up and recover well ...and then get back to it.
Rest up and recover well ...and then get back to it.
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ounce wrote:Thanks, Mark! I had a pacer for 2-1/2 (miles 23 to 25-1/2), which made my official finish by 3 minutes and 20 seconds a reality. He kept me moving at whatever pace I wanted, but he kept me moving.Mark B wrote:Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I have no injuries, other than overuse. I shall try to crawl into the shower, then head over to Fuzzy's Pizza.
That's my 8th official Houston finish.
Well done! Did you know your pacer, or was he a helpful stranger? Either way, hat tip to him!
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Maurice was his name. Actually, it was miles 23-25. Through the worst (to me) part of the course (mile 23 & 24), he kept me going. I guess he thought I might stop if he didn't deliver me to the flatness of mile 25.Mark B wrote:ounce wrote:Thanks, Mark! I had a pacer for 2-1/2 (miles 23 to 25-1/2), which made my official finish by 3 minutes and 20 seconds a reality. He kept me moving at whatever pace I wanted, but he kept me moving.Mark B wrote:Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I have no injuries, other than overuse. I shall try to crawl into the shower, then head over to Fuzzy's Pizza.
That's my 8th official Houston finish.
Well done! Did you know your pacer, or was he a helpful stranger? Either way, hat tip to him!
The back story is that Maurice knew a lot of the Team Fit runners and would join us from time to time. Once in December when he ran with me on a 2 mile pace run at Memorial Park, he said he cheers on the runners from mile 23. He has ran many Houston's, so he knows the course. He had blockage in an aorta area artery and got a stent. Like Nancy, you'd never think he needed a stent. Unlike Nancy, though, he asked me during that run if I had every heard of LC/HF. Hmmm, let me think. He said his cardiologist espouses the benefits of LC/HF. Yes!!
We talked about 23 & 24 and he thought he could help.
Fast forward to Sunday. Maurice finds the Team Fit and Houston Fit bunch in the GRB. I have no idea why he was there, since he was not running. I asked him if he was going to be at 23 & 24 again. He said, "Yes." I told him I might need some help there. He said, "I'll be sure to look out for you."
By that time in the race, I had forgotten about it and was just moving along at a 14 minute pace. A voice says, "Hey, Doug! How's it going? Still need some help?" And the rest is history.
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ounce wrote:Maurice was his name. Actually, it was miles 23-25. Through the worst (to me) part of the course (mile 23 & 24), he kept me going. I guess he thought I might stop if he didn't deliver me to the flatness of mile 25.Mark B wrote:ounce wrote:Thanks, Mark! I had a pacer for 2-1/2 (miles 23 to 25-1/2), which made my official finish by 3 minutes and 20 seconds a reality. He kept me moving at whatever pace I wanted, but he kept me moving.Mark B wrote:Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I have no injuries, other than overuse. I shall try to crawl into the shower, then head over to Fuzzy's Pizza.
That's my 8th official Houston finish.
Well done! Did you know your pacer, or was he a helpful stranger? Either way, hat tip to him!
The back story is that Maurice knew a lot of the Team Fit runners and would join us from time to time. Once in December when he ran with me on a 2 mile pace run at Memorial Park, he said he cheers on the runners from mile 23. He has ran many Houston's, so he knows the course. He had blockage in an aorta area artery and got a stent. Like Nancy, you'd never think he needed a stent. Unlike Nancy, though, he asked me during that run if I had every heard of LC/HF. Hmmm, let me think. He said his cardiologist espouses the benefits of LC/HF. Yes!!
We talked about 23 & 24 and he thought he could help.
Fast forward to Sunday. Maurice finds the Team Fit and Houston Fit bunch in the GRB. I have no idea why he was there, since he was not running. I asked him if he was going to be at 23 & 24 again. He said, "Yes." I told him I might need some help there. He said, "I'll be sure to look out for you."
By that time in the race, I had forgotten about it and was just moving along at a 14 minute pace. A voice says, "Hey, Doug! How's it going? Still need some help?" And the rest is history.
Way to go, Maurice!! Very nice.
BTW, interesting on LC/HF. Some people would call it heresy, but more people are trying it anyway.
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Mark B wrote:ounce wrote:Maurice was his name. Actually, it was miles 23-25. Through the worst (to me) part of the course (mile 23 & 24), he kept me going. I guess he thought I might stop if he didn't deliver me to the flatness of mile 25.Mark B wrote:ounce wrote:Thanks, Mark! I had a pacer for 2-1/2 (miles 23 to 25-1/2), which made my official finish by 3 minutes and 20 seconds a reality. He kept me moving at whatever pace I wanted, but he kept me moving.Mark B wrote:Woot! Woot! Woot!
I've been watching your progress and *just* saw you cross the finish line. Way to get it done!
Now, go eat something.
I have no injuries, other than overuse. I shall try to crawl into the shower, then head over to Fuzzy's Pizza.
That's my 8th official Houston finish.
Well done! Did you know your pacer, or was he a helpful stranger? Either way, hat tip to him!
The back story is that Maurice knew a lot of the Team Fit runners and would join us from time to time. Once in December when he ran with me on a 2 mile pace run at Memorial Park, he said he cheers on the runners from mile 23. He has ran many Houston's, so he knows the course. He had blockage in an aorta area artery and got a stent. Like Nancy, you'd never think he needed a stent. Unlike Nancy, though, he asked me during that run if I had every heard of LC/HF. Hmmm, let me think. He said his cardiologist espouses the benefits of LC/HF. Yes!!
We talked about 23 & 24 and he thought he could help.
Fast forward to Sunday. Maurice finds the Team Fit and Houston Fit bunch in the GRB. I have no idea why he was there, since he was not running. I asked him if he was going to be at 23 & 24 again. He said, "Yes." I told him I might need some help there. He said, "I'll be sure to look out for you."
By that time in the race, I had forgotten about it and was just moving along at a 14 minute pace. A voice says, "Hey, Doug! How's it going? Still need some help?" And the rest is history.
Way to go, Maurice!! Very nice.
BTW, interesting on LC/HF. Some people would call it heresy, but more people are trying it anyway.
Those are the type of stories I love to hear. The running community as a whole is so supportive of one another.
Very interesting that he had survived a heart event and even more interesting that he's an advocate of LC/HF. I'll be totally honest in admitting that I'm to lazy to concentrate on either a LF or a LC diet. My doctor would probably not be impressed that I don't worry much at all about fats or red meat...although I am now more careful about limiting processed meats, processed food in general and also limiting added sugars. I just try and remember to do everything in moderation.
Hope recovery is going well...
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How very, very cool!!! I certainly would have jumped in had I been there - at least to talk about LC and LF diets - lol.
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Yes, it was, Miche1e. When Maurice told me that his cardiologist is even teaching LC/HF, that impressed me because it flies in the face of the legal concept of 'proximate cause' that doctors (by and large) follow. Proximate Cause means the doctor is following the plan and major points of a specific medical body, e.g. the ruling body for cardiologists which says that for high cholesterol, the patient should reduce saturated foods, fried foods, and let's get you on those statins because it reduces LDL. But statins reduce all values of cholesterol, not just LDL.Michele \"1L" Keane wrote:How very, very cool!!! I certainly would have jumped in had I been there - at least to talk about LC and LF diets - lol.
By following the ruling body's recommendations for patients, should the patient die or get really messed up, the doctor cannot be successfully litigated because he followed the ruling body's recommendations.
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I guess that I should type about the marathon on Sunday.
-On Saturday, I consumed only minimal water. I had some milk with a PB&J around 6 p.m. I was trying to limit the pee breaks during the race. That succeeded as I only peed once at mile 7. I didn't really need to go, but it was a porta pottie in a construction area and nobody was using it. Convenient and I never felt the urge to pee again & didn't pee again until 2 hours after finishing, which is normal for me.
-On Sunday morning between the time I posted it was breezy with broken clouds before leaving for the GRB and the time I actually left...the skies were clear. Bummer.
-I arrived at the usual time of around 5:45 and bypassed the Security checkpoints for the 3rd year in a row.
-The race started at 7, but since it took 22 minutes to get to the start mat last year, I left the GRB at 7:05. I crossed the start mat at 34 minutes. I finished the race at 1:30 or so. They stopped serving the post-race food at...1:30. It's getting to where you have to finish at 5 hours and 30 minutes to get fed.
-Like I planned, I stopped at water stops to give the legs a break and get a drink.
-I started getting tired at mile 19, but trudged on.
-I wasn't weaving as much as prior years, so concentrating on shorter running tangents really helped keep me in line.
-The last time that I cared how much of the course I was over-running was around mile 22 where I was 7 hundredths over, but by the time I crossed the finish line, it had ballooned to 45 hundredths. I, now, am almost dead sure that most of the 45 hundredths was due to bouncing off and through buildings in the last mile. While in downtown, I noticed my mile 25 instant pace was an AMAZING 8:53!!!! Yeah, buddy. We all know that's right!
-I was sweating a bunch and drinking 2 cups of water between miles 10-19 and 3 cups to mile 25. My noggin was/is sunburned (I lost my Buff in the GRB) and even my lips were/are burned.
-Just drank water during the race, nothing else, except for 5 S!Caps.
-Only had 1 chafe spot. Usually have 3 or 4.
-Having the metronome helped immensely, except for the last few miles when I didn't care.
-At mile 25, I calculated that I had to run the last 1.2 miles in 23 minutes and made it in 20. Had I not known that calculation, I would've freaked because the 6 hour pace group passed me just after the calculation. They finished a minute ahead of me at 5:55. Thank God that pace leader wasn't concerned with crossing the finish line as close to 6 hours as possible.
-Oddly enough, my feet (especially the bottom of my feet) never hurt. The Kinvara 5's had 40 miles on them at the time. In fact, it was almost a muscle pain free run.
The mile splits aren't really all that bad, considering how I felt. I KNEW that I would have a 15 minute split or more 14 minute splits than I had (4). Well, it's official, now. 8th Houston in the books.
5:56:43, 13:37 official pace, 159 avg bpm, 171 max bpm during mile x, 160 avg spm, 0.75 m avg stride length, 1st half pace 13:11, 2nd half pace 14:03.
1. 13:07, 140 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
2. 13:07, 146 bpm, 164 spm, 75 sl
3. 13:01, 150 bpm, 164 spm, 76 sl
4. 12:55, 153 bpm, 164 spm, 76 sl
5. 13:09, 152 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
6. 13:07, 153 bpm, 164 spm, 75 sl
7. 13:07, 154 bpm, 160 spm, 77 sl
8. 13:21, 155 bpm, 161 spm, 75 sl pee break
9. 12:56, 157 bpm, 166 spm, 75 sl
10. 13:37, 158 bpm, 151 spm, 78 sl
11. 13:07, 161 bpm, 162 spm, 76 sl
12. 13:23, 162 bpm, 160 spm, 75 sl
13. 13:08, 162 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
14. 13:13, 163 bpm, 159 spm, 77 sl
15. 13:23, 165 bpm, 158 spm, 76 sl
16. 13:13, 166 bpm, 161 spm, 76 sl
17. 13:20, 165 bpm, 165 spm, 73 sl
18. 14:18, 163 bpm, 154 spm, 73 sl stopped for a moment
19. 13:36, 165 bpm, 163 spm, 72 sl
20. 13:58, 164 bpm, 161 spm, 72 sl
21. 13:39, 166 bpm, 162 spm, 73 sl
22. 14:04, 165 bpm, 155 spm, 74 sl
23. 13:56, 164 bpm, 161 spm, 72 sl
24. 14:20, 163 bpm, 154 spm, 73 sl
25. 13:56, 164 bpm, 155 spm, 72 sl
26. 14:12, 161 bpm, 153 spm, 74 sl
Now to drop some pounds, lift some weights, hunt for some speed, and endure some endurance. Thanks for the support and the official splits are below.
Split Time of day Cum time Diff pace mph
-On Saturday, I consumed only minimal water. I had some milk with a PB&J around 6 p.m. I was trying to limit the pee breaks during the race. That succeeded as I only peed once at mile 7. I didn't really need to go, but it was a porta pottie in a construction area and nobody was using it. Convenient and I never felt the urge to pee again & didn't pee again until 2 hours after finishing, which is normal for me.
-On Sunday morning between the time I posted it was breezy with broken clouds before leaving for the GRB and the time I actually left...the skies were clear. Bummer.
-I arrived at the usual time of around 5:45 and bypassed the Security checkpoints for the 3rd year in a row.
-The race started at 7, but since it took 22 minutes to get to the start mat last year, I left the GRB at 7:05. I crossed the start mat at 34 minutes. I finished the race at 1:30 or so. They stopped serving the post-race food at...1:30. It's getting to where you have to finish at 5 hours and 30 minutes to get fed.
-Like I planned, I stopped at water stops to give the legs a break and get a drink.
-I started getting tired at mile 19, but trudged on.
-I wasn't weaving as much as prior years, so concentrating on shorter running tangents really helped keep me in line.
-The last time that I cared how much of the course I was over-running was around mile 22 where I was 7 hundredths over, but by the time I crossed the finish line, it had ballooned to 45 hundredths. I, now, am almost dead sure that most of the 45 hundredths was due to bouncing off and through buildings in the last mile. While in downtown, I noticed my mile 25 instant pace was an AMAZING 8:53!!!! Yeah, buddy. We all know that's right!
-I was sweating a bunch and drinking 2 cups of water between miles 10-19 and 3 cups to mile 25. My noggin was/is sunburned (I lost my Buff in the GRB) and even my lips were/are burned.
-Just drank water during the race, nothing else, except for 5 S!Caps.
-Only had 1 chafe spot. Usually have 3 or 4.
-Having the metronome helped immensely, except for the last few miles when I didn't care.
-At mile 25, I calculated that I had to run the last 1.2 miles in 23 minutes and made it in 20. Had I not known that calculation, I would've freaked because the 6 hour pace group passed me just after the calculation. They finished a minute ahead of me at 5:55. Thank God that pace leader wasn't concerned with crossing the finish line as close to 6 hours as possible.
-Oddly enough, my feet (especially the bottom of my feet) never hurt. The Kinvara 5's had 40 miles on them at the time. In fact, it was almost a muscle pain free run.
The mile splits aren't really all that bad, considering how I felt. I KNEW that I would have a 15 minute split or more 14 minute splits than I had (4). Well, it's official, now. 8th Houston in the books.
5:56:43, 13:37 official pace, 159 avg bpm, 171 max bpm during mile x, 160 avg spm, 0.75 m avg stride length, 1st half pace 13:11, 2nd half pace 14:03.
1. 13:07, 140 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
2. 13:07, 146 bpm, 164 spm, 75 sl
3. 13:01, 150 bpm, 164 spm, 76 sl
4. 12:55, 153 bpm, 164 spm, 76 sl
5. 13:09, 152 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
6. 13:07, 153 bpm, 164 spm, 75 sl
7. 13:07, 154 bpm, 160 spm, 77 sl
8. 13:21, 155 bpm, 161 spm, 75 sl pee break
9. 12:56, 157 bpm, 166 spm, 75 sl
10. 13:37, 158 bpm, 151 spm, 78 sl
11. 13:07, 161 bpm, 162 spm, 76 sl
12. 13:23, 162 bpm, 160 spm, 75 sl
13. 13:08, 162 bpm, 165 spm, 74 sl
14. 13:13, 163 bpm, 159 spm, 77 sl
15. 13:23, 165 bpm, 158 spm, 76 sl
16. 13:13, 166 bpm, 161 spm, 76 sl
17. 13:20, 165 bpm, 165 spm, 73 sl
18. 14:18, 163 bpm, 154 spm, 73 sl stopped for a moment
19. 13:36, 165 bpm, 163 spm, 72 sl
20. 13:58, 164 bpm, 161 spm, 72 sl
21. 13:39, 166 bpm, 162 spm, 73 sl
22. 14:04, 165 bpm, 155 spm, 74 sl
23. 13:56, 164 bpm, 161 spm, 72 sl
24. 14:20, 163 bpm, 154 spm, 73 sl
25. 13:56, 164 bpm, 155 spm, 72 sl
26. 14:12, 161 bpm, 153 spm, 74 sl
Now to drop some pounds, lift some weights, hunt for some speed, and endure some endurance. Thanks for the support and the official splits are below.
Splits
5K | 08:15:40AM | 00:40:56 | 40:56 | 13:11 | 4.56 |
10K | 08:56:30AM | 01:21:47 | 40:51 | 13:09 | 4.57 |
15K | 09:38:25AM | 02:03:41 | 41:54 | 13:30 | 4.45 |
HALF | 10:28:25AM | 02:53:42 | 50:01 | 13:12 | 4.55 |
25K | 11:00:54AM | 03:26:11 | 32:29 | 13:24 | 4.48 |
30K | 11:43:55AM | 04:09:12 | 43:01 | 13:51 | 4.33 |
35K | 12:27:11PM | 04:52:28 | 43:16 | 13:56 | 4.31 |
40K | 01:11:49PM | 05:37:06 | 44:38 | 14:22 | 4.18 |
Finish Net | 01:31:23PM | 05:56:40 | 19:34 | 14:21 | 4.18 |
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One of my prizes in a completed finish is one week off LC/HF. Eating stuff without regard to how it affects my blood ketone level e.g. pizza, ice cream, Raisin Bran, southern corn bread (no sugar), biscuits, pasta with chili, strawberry preserves, english muffins, and tonight's menu item...Angel Hair Alfredo with broiled salmon. I'm not much on drinking adult beverages. I'm not a tee-totaler, it's just not something I go for too much.
Yesterday morning, my feet and ankles were swollen. After further examination, my calves are swollen, too. I haven't consumed the normal amount of water this week, so I'm thinking it's just the body retaining water. How much, you ask? Well, I can attribute probably 10 pounds to it and I have discounted the amount of food that I've eaten from that number.
It's good to be king.
Yesterday morning, my feet and ankles were swollen. After further examination, my calves are swollen, too. I haven't consumed the normal amount of water this week, so I'm thinking it's just the body retaining water. How much, you ask? Well, I can attribute probably 10 pounds to it and I have discounted the amount of food that I've eaten from that number.
It's good to be king.
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Nice race report, Ounce. It sounds like it went about as well as you could have hoped, though it's unfortunate that the sun came out and blazed down on you. That makes it an even bigger challenge.
Enjoy the HC/HF diet this week! Goodness knows, you've earned it. Though your body might not know how to react.
Enjoy the HC/HF diet this week! Goodness knows, you've earned it. Though your body might not know how to react.
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Thanks for sharing your race report Doug. It's always interesting to know how others feel and react to the tough spots in a race. Nice splits overall. Not a huge fade at the end...you held it together pretty well! I'm impressed.
Doesn't your body struggle to adjust to such a big swing in your diet. I know mine would.
Your comments about Proximate Cause are very interesting. I often wonder if Dr B is recommending statins because he really believes in them or because it's what he's supposed to do. We've had some discussions and at this point I am taking the statins but at a lower 20mg dose. I have very mixed feelings. I would definitely not be taking them if my cholesterol was at the levels it was had I not had a cardiac event. At this point we're trying to prevent my vulnerable plaque from breaking lose again. We're not really trying to control the cholesterol levels. There is so much contradictory information available that I don't know what to believe. Apparently there is a significantly increased risk of a second event during the 12 months following the first cardiac event. I plan to have a frank discussion with Dr B about medications after that 12 months is up when I see him on March 1st to discuss appropriate goals moving forward.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this sort of stuff. You've provided information and/or questions that have been very valuable and thought provoking.
Doesn't your body struggle to adjust to such a big swing in your diet. I know mine would.
Your comments about Proximate Cause are very interesting. I often wonder if Dr B is recommending statins because he really believes in them or because it's what he's supposed to do. We've had some discussions and at this point I am taking the statins but at a lower 20mg dose. I have very mixed feelings. I would definitely not be taking them if my cholesterol was at the levels it was had I not had a cardiac event. At this point we're trying to prevent my vulnerable plaque from breaking lose again. We're not really trying to control the cholesterol levels. There is so much contradictory information available that I don't know what to believe. Apparently there is a significantly increased risk of a second event during the 12 months following the first cardiac event. I plan to have a frank discussion with Dr B about medications after that 12 months is up when I see him on March 1st to discuss appropriate goals moving forward.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this sort of stuff. You've provided information and/or questions that have been very valuable and thought provoking.
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It was as good as I could've hoped and Maurice really helped by keeping me going. It's really mind boggling to me that I did not count any 15 minute miles, but y'all may remember where I invoked the 'work mode' at the 30K and to invoke the work mode for the last 5K. I think turning off the fun mode blocked out those naysayers in my head.Mark B wrote:Nice race report, Ounce. It sounds like it went about as well as you could have hoped, though it's unfortunate that the sun came out and blazed down on you. That makes it an even bigger challenge.
Enjoy the HC/HF diet this week! Goodness knows, you've earned it. Though your body might not know how to react.
Over the past week, I was trying to figure out why my feet didn't hurt, my legs and even my hip flexors didn't hurt. I guess that I just tuned it out. On the counterpoint though, even when I walked to my car, the bottom of my feet didn't hurt.
I intend to invoke the work mode on training for JJ and 2017 JJ itself.
I've been shedding the burned skin starting this past Thursday.
Your history since Boston really puts you in a different category of care than someone who hasn't had any events. That's not to say the statins are helping you, but they could easily formulate a scenario to the lay person that would scare the shit out of you.nkrichards wrote:Thanks for sharing your race report Doug. It's always interesting to know how others feel and react to the tough spots in a race. Nice splits overall. Not a huge fade at the end...you held it together pretty well! I'm impressed.
Doesn't your body struggle to adjust to such a big swing in your diet. I know mine would.
Your comments about Proximate Cause are very interesting. I often wonder if Dr B is recommending statins because he really believes in them or because it's what he's supposed to do. We've had some discussions and at this point I am taking the statins but at a lower 20mg dose. I have very mixed feelings. I would definitely not be taking them if my cholesterol was at the levels it was had I not had a cardiac event. At this point we're trying to prevent my vulnerable plaque from breaking lose again. We're not really trying to control the cholesterol levels. There is so much contradictory information available that I don't know what to believe. Apparently there is a significantly increased risk of a second event during the 12 months following the first cardiac event. I plan to have a frank discussion with Dr B about medications after that 12 months is up when I see him on March 1st to discuss appropriate goals moving forward.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this sort of stuff. You've provided information and/or questions that have been very valuable and thought provoking.
I've always heard that statins inhibit running ability. I believe it was (I may not have the correct name) Jack Scaff? whose dad is a cardiologist and the RD at a marathon out in Hawaii that first said that.
I would have two questions for your doc:
1. How close to a lower or no dose of statins am I and what hoops do I need to go through to continue to reduce, then discontinue statins?
2. This next question I already know the answer, but you can ask it anyway. Is it more likely that a vulnerable plaque that existed at Boston would dislodge or plaque that has formed since Boston? Answer: We don't know, but we hope the statins will lessen the new formation.
I have 46 years of vulnerable plaque built up before I started running. And, Nancy, I thought of you during the race regarding if I was feeling poorly and had my plan ready to tell the med staff on bikes to get a ambulance ahead of me, so I can jump right in to it and not code on the streets waiting for the ambulance to arrive.
Pester the docs because you are not the 'normal' heart patient and you've continued to thrive with dead cardiac tissue. You're a walking contradiction to the journals.
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I ran 2 miles, this morning. It's the first running in a week and it was 38 degrees. The plan was 6.66 miles, however my left lateral shin muscle was not happy to be rousted out of bed and wasn't allowing me the pleasure of adequate extension..
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He's back to running! Woot!
I wonder if your lack of post-race pain was related to your new cadence. Faster turnover means less chance you're pile-driving those feet into the ground every step. Of course, it could just be improved fitness.
Didn't know you had "vunerable plaque." How is that diagnosed, short of having an experience like Nancy's?
I wonder if your lack of post-race pain was related to your new cadence. Faster turnover means less chance you're pile-driving those feet into the ground every step. Of course, it could just be improved fitness.
Didn't know you had "vunerable plaque." How is that diagnosed, short of having an experience like Nancy's?
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nkrichards wrote:Thanks for sharing your race report Doug. It's always interesting to know how others feel and react to the tough spots in a race. Nice splits overall. Not a huge fade at the end...you held it together pretty well! I'm impressed.
Doesn't your body struggle to adjust to such a big swing in your diet. I know mine would.
Your comments about Proximate Cause are very interesting. I often wonder if Dr B is recommending statins because he really believes in them or because it's what he's supposed to do. We've had some discussions and at this point I am taking the statins but at a lower 20mg dose. I have very mixed feelings. I would definitely not be taking them if my cholesterol was at the levels it was had I not had a cardiac event. At this point we're trying to prevent my vulnerable plaque from breaking lose again. We're not really trying to control the cholesterol levels. There is so much contradictory information available that I don't know what to believe. Apparently there is a significantly increased risk of a second event during the 12 months following the first cardiac event. I plan to have a frank discussion with Dr B about medications after that 12 months is up when I see him on March 1st to discuss appropriate goals moving forward.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this sort of stuff. You've provided information and/or questions that have been very valuable and thought provoking.
I wanted to run on Sunday, but the Force wasn't within.Mark B wrote:He's back to running! Woot!
I wonder if your lack of post-race pain was related to your new cadence. Faster turnover means less chance you're pile-driving those feet into the ground every step. Of course, it could just be improved fitness.
Didn't know you had "vunerable plaque." How is that diagnosed, short of having an experience like Nancy's?
I really don't know why I didn't have much post-race or even late in the race pain, other than just blocking it out, which doesn't usually work for me. Maybe there's more 'power' in the word "work" than I thought. It also could be that I was concentrating on not wobbling as much, too.
It's an assumption on the vulnerable plaque, Mark. If Nancy as a BQ runner has vulnerable plaque, then Miche1e has it, you have it and I certainly have it. I probably have the greatest amount. I don't believe it's the kind of thing that goes away naturally, either.
Found this, which goes into more detail than I imagined. http://www.ihimontanafoundation.org/Heart_Information/Heart_Conditions/Vulnerable_Plaque
This link says a lot of the same things http://www.texasheart.org/HIC/Topics/Cond/vulplaq.cfm
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