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Post  Kenny B. Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:38 am

Next week is my final week before tapering. I have two choices I can do 10 w/ 6 @ MP on Sat followed by 20 miles or do you think 20 miles w/3@MP is more beneficial. I have done both through this cycle doing paces of 5,6,9, and 12 some on my Long runs others solo.
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Post  ssilvert Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:37 am

I don't understand the question, Kenny. Can you lay out the proposed week of training so we can see the choices in context?

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Post  T Miller Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:55 am

For me, the primary run is the pace run but I'm thinking about doing both a pace run and fast finish run at the end of my peak week.
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Post  Kenny B. Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:16 am

T Miller wrote:For me, the primary run is the pace run but I'm thinking about doing both a pace run and fast finish run at the end of my peak week.

I was thinking that as well.
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Post  Kenny B. Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:17 am

ssilvert wrote:I don't understand the question, Kenny. Can you lay out the proposed week of training so we can see the choices in context?

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This vs. maybe 20 with 3@MP or like above do both. Which can be doable.
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Post  ssilvert Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:04 pm

OK, now I get it.

If you want a challenge, then doing both is a good option. I've done this before where I did 12 miles at marathon pace followed the next day by a 3/1 20 miler. I'm sure you remember what that is, but just in case, a 3/1 is where you run the first 3/4 of the workout at normal pace and then do the last 1/4 at near marathon pace. So it's 15 easy followed by 5 at or near mp.

I did this for my last two workouts before a three week taper and I got my BQ.

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Post  Chris M Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:00 pm

I was going to say 10 GA Saturday followed by 20 with the last 10 at MP Sunday.



Then I read Stan's suggestion and I like that more. That's 2 tough runs. Its more like the Hal combo of 10 pace followed by 20 LSD but tougher. 12 pace and then a 3/1 20 with the last 5 being pace. My confidence to be able to run at MP would be very very high if I could complete that Saturday/Sunday combo. Go for Stan's suggestion!
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Post  Mike MacLellan Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:17 pm

I was going to suggest the same exact thing that Chris was. 10GA followed by 20 w/ last 10 @ MP. That was my peak weekend, I was dying by the end of the 20, but it gave me the confidence to know that I had my BQ in my sights.
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Post  Ben Z Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:30 pm

Kenny B. wrote:
ssilvert wrote:I don't understand the question, Kenny. Can you lay out the proposed week of training so we can see the choices in context?

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Fast Finish vs. pace Run Untitl50

This vs. maybe 20 with 3@MP or like above do both. Which can be doable.

I think just doing 20 after the previous six days is impressive. You sure you are running these training runs hard enough?? That LT run looks tough. I did 10 w/ 4 @ 15k pace on Tuesday and it wiped me. I'm not running hard again until Sunday.
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Post  T Miller Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:24 am

Hey Kenny, I don't want to steer you wrong since I told you my intended plan so I'll give you my updated plan. Just did 16 w/ 14 @ MP, Sat I plan to do 15 then Sun I will do 22 and if I feel up to it I will finish with 6 @ MP.
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Post  Kenny B. Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:55 pm

Ben Z wrote:
Kenny B. wrote:
ssilvert wrote:I don't understand the question, Kenny. Can you lay out the proposed week of training so we can see the choices in context?

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Fast Finish vs. pace Run Untitl50

This vs. maybe 20 with 3@MP or like above do both. Which can be doable.

I think just doing 20 after the previous six days is impressive. You sure you are running these training runs hard enough?? That LT run looks tough. I did 10 w/ 4 @ 15k pace on Tuesday and it wiped me. I'm not running hard again until Sunday.

I think so! Ill know more tomorrow after my HM if I am dogging it a bit on the LT runs.

Good information everyone. Not sure I need another 12@MP. But I am considering all the options. Thanks!
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