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Post  Mark B on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:10 pm

I think all of us have been in your shoes one time or another, Nancy. Figuring out what went wrong after the wheels come out isn't helpful in a lot of cases -- sometimes you just have a bad day -- and they just prolong the agony. I'm glad you've decided to put it behind you.

Stepping away from racing marathons is a fine decision. What's your next challenge?

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Post  nkrichards on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:41 pm

@Mark B wrote:I think all of us have been in your shoes one time or another, Nancy. Figuring out what went wrong after the wheels come out isn't helpful in a lot of cases -- sometimes you just have a bad day -- and they just prolong the agony. I'm glad you've decided to put it behind you.

Stepping away from racing marathons is a fine decision. What's your next challenge?

I don't think I could figure out what happened if I tried so it's kind of futile.  I do know that I love being active and if I keep banging my head against the wall trying to get back to Boston I'll probably regret it.  I got my finish and I'm going to have to live with that.

We're off to Nepal in 10 days and I have a million things to do to make sure that we're ready.  Nepal will be a forced break from training, a significant challenge, and time to spend with Marty without the farm and family pulling us in different directions.  Marty is a bit apprehensive and not as adventurous as I am when it comes to travel.  I appreciate his willingness to go with me...I don't think I'd go by myself.  I hope that we both enjoy it and come home ready to get back to business here at home.

I am committed to the Half Ironman in Victoria in early June.  The group from Madras that was planning on going hasn't fully committed and I think some/most of them may back out.  I'm not to worried if they do.  Katie has already agreed to go with me as has Michele and her friend.  I'm looking forward to it.  It will be a nice change of pace and I won't have any time goals at all!

Katie and I did have a really nice time in Indianapolis.  The park was only 5 minutes past the Expo and the weather was gorgeous on Friday so we headed to the park with plans to just sit outside for a bit.  We ended up doing a very short Segway tour which was a blast!  And then picked up my packet on the way back to the hotel.  The weather was perfect on race day.  Cloudy and cool.  Katie spent the morning at the zoo while I ran.  Katie is a hockey fan and our Segway guide noticed her sweatshirt and mentioned that there was a farm team in Indy.  We ended up at an Indy Fuel game on Saturday night!  They lost but it was a hoot!  Sunday was hot and humid with thunderstorms...glad I didn't have to run in that.  We slept in, went to breakfast and headed to Speedway Indoor Karting to race go-karts...it is Indy.  Very Happy   I beat Katie on the track but she beat me on the "road race".  The kids just laughed at us.  Indy was really a fun city and we enjoyed the time together.  Unfortunately the thunderstorms got worse and they shut the airport for several hours.  Our plane was sitting on the tarmac...full of passengers but unable to unload.  We finally got out a couple hours late, missed our connection but were rebooked on the last flight into Central Oregon.  We arrived just after mid-night and were welcomed by freezing rain and black ice.  Home safely though.

I swam for a few minutes today...and spent some time in the hot tub.  Legs are still very sore.  Walking is quite difficult!  I feel better if I don't sit for to long but will keep all my activity at a very easy level.  I don't really have a choice. 

I'm frustrated but I know that I'm making the right decision.  I plan to email Dr. Baggish and Dr. Beckerman and let them know how the race went and that I've decided not to try and go back to Boston.  Dr. Baggish offered me a bib no matter what my race results were but that's not what I want.  It is time to move on.

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Post  Mark B on Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:28 pm

It sounds like you had a great experience at Indy, in spite of your unsatisfying race result. 

I get how it's a bittersweet time you're going through. Don't force a decision out of disappointment. Give it a little time.

(And frankly, no one would look askance if you, of all people, got a chance to get a shot at finishing Boston without a medical emergency.)

Anyway. Nepal! I'm so envious! I hope you and Marty have a great experience there. Take lots of photos.

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Post  nkrichards on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:23 pm

@Mark B wrote:It sounds like you had a great experience at Indy, in spite of your unsatisfying race result. 

I get how it's a bittersweet time you're going through. Don't force a decision out of disappointment. Give it a little time.

(And frankly, no one would look askance if you, of all people, got a chance to get a shot at finishing Boston without a medical emergency.)

Anyway. Nepal! I'm so envious! I hope you and Marty have a great experience there. Take lots of photos.

 I can't accept a Boston bib without earning it Mark.  There are to many runners who worked hard to run a qualifying time and still didn't make the cut.  It's not fair to take a bib away from them.  I have mixed feelings about charity bibs for runners like Nick who ran a BQ and didn't quite make it but I did support his effort.  I don't have a problem with disabled runners getting a break but I don't feel like I fit that into that category.  I know the system is set up to provide bibs to runners who are willing to fundraise but I'm not entirely comfortable with that.  I won't judge others but I won't buy a Boston bib.  I know the system is also set up to provide bibs under special circumstances and again I won't judge but I don't want a sympathy bib.  If I ever do go back to Boston I'll earn my bib and if I can't I'll cheer on those who did.

There are a lot of lessons in life.  One of them is never to give up and it's an important one.  But we also need to learn to set appropriate goals, make good choices, and accept what life throws at us.  I hope that when I look back on this decision I won't view it as giving up.  I don't think that's what I'm doing.  My grandchildren are watching what I choose to do...

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I went to Pilates this morning and was able to do most everything without much discomfort.  I skipped or modified moves that were uncomfortable.  I stayed for aqua jogging but ignored the workout and just socialized and jogged easy the entire time.  Then I spent a few minutes in the hot tub.  I'm still surprisingly sore...
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Post  ounce on Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:41 pm

I get the end of your marathon career, so doing that is reasonable and will ease the collective BP of the family a few points. One thing you could do are 50K's, non-competitively of course, because when the 50K is part of a 50 mile or longer, the time limit to complete is huge and people walk.  Heck, on that 50K this past April, I only ran 10 miles of it.

Or an ultra relay.

As a flatlander, one thing I don't get is that a flat course didn't help. scratch  I guess I would say the same thing on a hilly course.

I hope Augie was nice to Fast Freddy while you were gone.   Nepal ought to be really fun, but I'd have to have a stronger motivation than I have to execute it.  Will Marty have a long enough cord to bring an electric heater?
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Post  nkrichards on Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:15 pm

@ounce wrote:I get the end of your marathon career, so doing that is reasonable and will ease the collective BP of the family a few points. One thing you could do are 50K's, non-competitively of course, because when the 50K is part of a 50 mile or longer, the time limit to complete is huge and people walk.  Heck, on that 50K this past April, I only ran 10 miles of it.

Or an ultra relay.

As a flatlander, one thing I don't get is that a flat course didn't help. scratch  I guess I would say the same thing on a hilly course.

I hope Augie was nice to Fast Freddy while you were gone.   Nepal ought to be really fun, but I'd have to have a stronger motivation than I have to execute it.  Will Marty have a long enough cord to bring an electric heater?

No ultra's for me Doug.  I need to go shorter not longer.  And Marty isn't comfortable with me going off road especially if cell service is questionable. 

Relay's aren't a good option for me either.  I enjoyed Hood to Coast but I tend to run to fast for my own good in those situations...don't want to let the team down.

Flat is tough for me because I train on rolling hills.  The ups/downs utilize different muscles and give the others a break.  The flat course relied on the same muscles for to long and they just got tired and refused to play any longer.

No need for a heater Doug.  We're staying in "Tea Houses".  I put that in quotes because I read the description.  Stone exterior walls, plywood interior walls between bedrooms, but heat in the dining area.  The heat is a stove that burns yak dung. Shocked Some even have showers...for a price.  I've been advised to make sure my bed isn't right up against the exterior wall or it will be very cold...maybe I do need that heater...  I guess that calling them tea houses is reasonable as they will have warm tea for us.

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I went for a stroll today...


Mark will know where I was...
My legs felt better after some easy aqua jogging yesterday and I wanted to put a few miles on my boots...they are well broken in as they've been to the summit of South Sister, Kilimanjaro, and hiked for three days on the Appalachian Trail but they've been in the closet for a while.  Rain and snow were forecast for later today and even though I would have preferred to wait a couple more days I wanted to go before the bad weather hit.  It was spitting snow on the drive to the trailhead and it was cold but it was still very pleasant.  I picked a trail that I know well and that is popular enough to have other users even in this weather as I went alone...and there is cell service.

So I got in 4 miles with 1718' elevation gain/loss.  Went up the hill confidently but the legs were pretty weak and wobbly coming back down.  They obviously haven't recovered completely yet.  I was glad the last two miles were the level miles along the river.  I saw deer, ducks, and climbers but no eagles or otter.  Boots and new (warmer) trekking pants felt good.

My list of things to do before we go keeps getting longer.  Every time I cross one thing off I think of two more!
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Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:15 am

No reason to be disappointed, Nancy as you got the monkey off your back.  I'm also guessing/believing that you were more than ready to run faster, but often times our minds don't let us, and even though you don't think it had an impact - I'm betting that it did.  However, the monkey is now gone and concentrating on other things for now is a good plan.  I don't doubt that you will be back.  

Yes, we have committed to Victoria and I even registered to make sure that I committed.  I did take out the race insurance though, as I got my entry fee and flight $$$$ back for the relay and HIM that I could not do this fall due to my foot.  Nice to know that a doctor's not works.  I have an appointment tomorrow to see where the foot is at and I am hoping for the best.  It has felt fine and pain free for weeks but has been "achy" the last couple of days.  I am attributing it to the rain and the fact that I have a Doc appt tommorrow morning - lol.

Have a fantastic time in Nepal!!
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Post  nkrichards on Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:37 pm

Michele \"1L" Keane wrote:No reason to be disappointed, Nancy as you got the monkey off your back.  I'm also guessing/believing that you were more than ready to run faster, but often times our minds don't let us, and even though you don't think it had an impact - I'm betting that it did.  However, the monkey is now gone and concentrating on other things for now is a good plan.  I don't doubt that you will be back.  

Yes, we have committed to Victoria and I even registered to make sure that I committed.  I did take out the race insurance though, as I got my entry fee and flight $$$$ back for the relay and HIM that I could not do this fall due to my foot.  Nice to know that a doctor's not works.  I have an appointment tomorrow to see where the foot is at and I am hoping for the best.  It has felt fine and pain free for weeks but has been "achy" the last couple of days.  I am attributing it to the rain and the fact that I have a Doc appt tommorrow morning - lol.

Have a fantastic time in Nepal!!
 
Thanks Michele...I'm not sure I'll ever really know what went wrong but it doesn't really matter.  Not thinking that another marathon will be in my future.  We'll see what happens.

Hope you get good news at your Doc appt.  You must be going crazy staying off the foot!

See you in Victoria.

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Pilates this morning but I skipped aqua jogging because I needed to watch Conner for Natalie.  My legs felt pretty good even after my hike yesterday but the few squats and lunges we did today must have been more than they were ready for.  I must have really trashed them on race day...it's never taken me this long to recover.

This whole thing has been a not so subtle reminder that I tend to do more than I should and that like it or not I'm getting older. No

So a couple funny stories...

Our Pilates/Masters Swim group has become much more friendly.  Maybe it's just me...I've always trained solo and never been very social.  Anyway the joke at Pilates this morning as I struggled to complete my lunges was that I needed to go trekking in Nepal for a month so that I could rest and recuperate from training.  That's bad when my friends think that trekking at 18,000' will be more restful than my daily routine.  I guess they know me pretty well.

The other funny comment was from Coach Sara.  When I mentioned that both my cardiologists were marathon runners and so they understood my circumstances well but that Dr. Beckerman thought that a full marathon was probably more than I should be doing but wasn't worried enough to say no, her reply was a funny look followed by "and so you're going to do a Half Ironman instead?"  We both smiled and laughed.

I got an email today reminding me that it was time to sign up for the Heart Breaker Half.  (Dr. Beckerman's race in Portland).  So I did.  It's Feb. 11th.


  • Dec. 31st Freeze your Fanny (3 mile run followed by a 500 yard pool swim)
  • I also signed up for Sara's Total Body Conditioning Class that will be twice a week in Jan and Feb.
  • Sara reminded us that the USMS One Hour Swim is in Jan/Feb and we should all do that.  (It's done in your own pool and reported electronically.)
  • Feb 11th Heart Breaker Half
  • June 3rd Ironman 70.3 Victoria
  • June 16th Crest the Cascades (McKenzie Pass bike ride)
  • July 21th  Tri at the Grove (Toni wants me to do this Olympic distance tri with her again...not sure)
  • August 11th MacDash sprint tri
  • Sept 8th or 15th Ride the Rim (Crater Lake)


Hmm...maybe I need to go trekking...
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Post  nkrichards on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:49 pm

I'm starting to feel human again!

I swam Friday but cut all the distances/repeats down so that I did 2/3rds of the workout.  It felt pretty good.  Times weren't fantastic but much better than I expected.

Then Saturday and Sunday I did absolutely no training at all.  Spent the weekend getting ready for the trip including some family time.

I've still got a lot to do to get ready so I skipped swimming today and worked in the office all morning and then ran trip related errands.  Katie came out for lunch with Marty and I today as well.

I think the time off has been good although I do feel a bit of guilt/yearning when I walk past my running shoes.  Running

Weather in Nepal looks COLD but not stormy.
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Post  ounce on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:08 am

Well, I can't give any special or non-special insight into Nepal weather.

Good thing that you don't have too many events planned for next year. Rolling Eyes 

I hope your legs recover on the way to Nepal!  Enjoy all that snow and trekking.
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Post  Mark B on Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:01 pm

I can't claim expertise in Nepalese weather, either, but the extended outlook for Kathmandu looks terrific...



Hope you have have a great adventure!

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