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Post  Nick Morris on Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:10 pm

@ounce wrote:
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@ounce wrote:Um, Nick?  Did you want the policy in case I explode or because of the cold front?


Cold front Smile

I've been told it's only if I explode.  Sorry.
HaHa love it!! Thanks ounce, I'm not even racing and I don't get taper madness when I do. But somehow you have sucked me into your little world and now I think I have your madness going on!!!  affraid
Aw, shucks.

But I have an idea about my performance on the 19th.  I think a 12 minute pace is too slow.  I base that on the long-held belief that the long runs should be done at a pace of 60-90 seconds.

This is really freaking me out!  Here's the thought.  I've been doing my long runs at 12:30 or so because I was so stupid to believe that if I did long runs at closer to my MP of 12, then it wouldn't be so hard to hit 12.

Okay, here's the money paragraph.  Ready?  Ready?  So, if I've been doing 12:30 long runs, then by apply reverse logic, I SHOULD be able to run the marathon at a pace of 10:59 (12:30 - 91 seconds)!!!!

To hell with all that slower than molasses 12 minute pace stuff, LET'S GO FOR THE GUSTO of a sub-11 pace!!!!

Well, well, well, what do you think??????? cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers

I say go for it!!!  Then when you get to mile 18 and it feels like you can't go any farther, like your legs are in concrete, like you want to die...think about what your original plan was and how nice it would have been to stick to it.

Great!  But are you saying the reverse logic is off or years of how to run long runs is off, because if it should be 2 minutes faster than long run pace, then I'm not completely sure I could do a 10:30 pace until mile 18, when my legs are concrete.

And the concrete reference sort of sounds like I'll be tired.

I would say the reverse logic is off...

And yes...you would be tired by mile 18.

Is this the kind of concrete that's breathable?  I've never heard of concrete for runners.  I can't imagine using re-bar with it as that might impede my running the last 8 miles.

Just thinking out loud, you understand.

Concrete is more of a simile.  Your actual legs will not be concrete, but will feel like concrete.  They will feel heavy, like you are not able to move them.

I say go for it and I will also go as far to say don't be surprised when you hit that time goal and pace for the race. Sure it will get tough towards the end but I think your ready for it. No better way to find out by throwing your hat in the ring and going for it. I have been there and done it before and the reward was awesome!

The upside is that I would be done, sooner.  The downside is that I won't be getting my money's worth for finishing sooner.

Oh, what to do, what to DO?!?!?!?  Where's Kenny when you need him? 

And how much more length can we put on this quote? Wink

Kenny is meditating with some Buddhist Monks.
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Post  Nick Morris on Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:10 pm

@mul21 wrote:Methinks that Ounce's humor has fallen into Nick's sarchasm........

You thinks right.
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Post  ounce on Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:07 pm

@Nick Morris wrote:
@mul21 wrote:Methinks that Ounce's humor has fallen into Nick's sarchasm........

You thinks right.

And I have to keep this up for another 10 days, too.  Sweaty
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Post  Mark B on Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:03 am

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@mul21 wrote:Methinks that Ounce's humor has fallen into Nick's sarchasm........

You thinks right.

And I have to keep this up for another 10 days, too.  Sweaty

Oh, lordy. That long? You really should have paced your taper better. Tsk.
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Post  ounce on Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:56 am

@Mark B wrote:
@ounce wrote:
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@mul21 wrote:Methinks that Ounce's humor has fallen into Nick's sarchasm........

You thinks right.

And I have to keep this up for another 10 days, too.  Sweaty

Oh, lordy. That long? You really should have paced your taper better. Tsk.
(LOL)

But that's the secret, psychological, diabolical, illogical nature of TAPER MAAAAAAAAADNESS!!!!!!.  My GOODNESS, when is it all going to END!  BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post  Mark B on Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:28 am

@ounce wrote:
@Mark B wrote:
@ounce wrote:
@Nick Morris wrote:
@mul21 wrote:Methinks that Ounce's humor has fallen into Nick's sarchasm........

You thinks right.

And I have to keep this up for another 10 days, too.  Sweaty

Oh, lordy. That long? You really should have paced your taper better. Tsk.
(LOL)

But that's the secret, psychological, diabolical, illogical nature of TAPER MAAAAAAAAADNESS!!!!!!.  My GOODNESS, when is it all going to END!  BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just take care that you don't end up...

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Post  ounce on Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:10 am

Here's the first actual temperature numbers that I've seen for the race.  Now, I can unpack two bags, since it's guaranteed this will happen, like they say!!!!  Right?

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Post  Jerry on Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:45 am

@ounce wrote:Here's the first actual temperature numbers that I've seen for the race.  Now, I can unpack two bags, since it's guaranteed this will happen, like they say!!!!  Right?

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What the hack do you do for living, oz? confused
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Post  ounce on Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:24 am

@Jerry wrote:
@ounce wrote:Here's the first actual temperature numbers that I've seen for the race.  Now, I can unpack two bags, since it's guaranteed this will happen, like they say!!!!  Right?

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What the hack do you do for living, oz? confused

I'm a bean counter, not a vegetarian. (in my best Dr. McCoy voice)
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Post  ounce on Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:04 pm

@ounce wrote:
@Jerry wrote:
@ounce wrote:Here's the first actual temperature numbers that I've seen for the race.  Now, I can unpack two bags, since it's guaranteed this will happen, like they say!!!!  Right?

TAPER MADNESS!!!! - Page 16 Iahgfsx12zjan8

What the hack do you do for living, oz? confused

I'm a bean counter, not a vegetarian. (in my best Dr. McCoy voice)

Arrrgh!  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad  Evil or Very Mad 
Now look at the below GFS forecast.  In JUST 24 hours, the 35 degree low that was on Monday, is now on Saturday!!!!  Can't they settle on 1 forecast 10 days out??????

I tell you.  GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before too much longer, I'm going to in the TAPER MADNESS VORTEX!!!!

This ain't gonna be a pretty site, either.  Now I have to reclean and repack the other 2 bags, plus maybe I'll add another bag, just in case.  I don't know just in case what, but I have to do something!!!


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Post  mountandog on Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:48 pm

come on race, you can't get here soon enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post  Mark B on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:16 am

A 10-day forecast? THIS winter? Oh, Ounce, Ounce, Ounce.

Coming from where I live, I can tell you I've learned that only one weather forecast is truly accurate

There will be weather.

That is all.
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Post  ounce on Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:17 pm

@mountandog wrote:come on race, you can't get here soon enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Durn tootin'!!
@Mark B wrote:A 10-day forecast? THIS winter? Oh, Ounce, Ounce, Ounce.

Coming from where I live, I can tell you I've learned that only one weather forecast is truly accurate

There will be weather.

That is all.

Oh, mind your own bees wax, Mr. Pink Kidney Stone man.  (Think Frank Burns expressions)
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Post  Jerry on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:46 pm

This is boring. I go get a diet coke...
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Post  ounce on Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:50 pm

@Jerry wrote:This is boring. I go get a diet coke...

That really hurt.  Wink 

Get me one, too!
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Post  Jerry on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:22 pm

@ounce wrote:
@Jerry wrote:This is boring. I go get a diet coke...

That really hurt.  Wink 

Get me one, too!

Sorry, I have only 1 dollar bill left
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Post  ounce on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:51 pm

@Jerry wrote:
@ounce wrote:
@Jerry wrote:This is boring. I go get a diet coke...

That really hurt.  Wink 

Get me one, too!

Sorry, I have only 1 dollar bill left

I found something to drink.
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Post  Jerry on Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:47 pm

Ride Oz is crazy
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Post  mountandog on Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:09 pm

we need to start a new thread, called post run depression.  you guys are bouncing off the walls.   bounce
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Post  ounce on Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:19 pm

@Jerry wrote:Ride Oz is crazy

@mountandog wrote:we need to start a new thread, called post run depression.  you guys are bouncing off the walls.   bounce
Is there a medication to get me out of this TAPER MADNESS VORTEX!!!???
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Post  Mark B on Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:42 pm

@ounce wrote:
@Jerry wrote:Ride Oz is crazy

@mountandog wrote:we need to start a new thread, called post run depression.  you guys are bouncing off the walls.   bounce
Is there a medication to get me out of this TAPER MADNESS VORTEX!!!???

No.

Next question.
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Post  ounce on Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:21 am

@Mark B wrote:
@ounce wrote:
@Jerry wrote:Ride Oz is crazy

@mountandog wrote:we need to start a new thread, called post run depression.  you guys are bouncing off the walls.   bounce
Is there a medication to get me out of this TAPER MADNESS VORTEX!!!???

No.

Next question.
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Post  ounce on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:51 am

Since y'all agreed to my reverse logic idea of:  If my long run paces have been in the 12:15 range for a 12 minute MP, then I should be able to drop 60-90 seconds per mile for a REAL marathon pace of 10:45 to 11:15.
Hello?  Remember?

Well, this morning, I started the runs with that in mind.  I did a 5 mile run this morning and, boy, did I have the feets flying.  My timing is impeccable, as I'm starting this new method just 1 week before the Houston Marathon, everything is going gangbusters.  I'm trying to decide if my long run on the Friday before the marathon should be 15 or 20 miles.  What do y'all think?

Below are the splits from the run.

5.01 miles, 53:42, 10:42 pace, 157 avg bpm, 175 max bpm during the last mile, 1st half pace 11:02, 2nd half pace 10:22


  1. 11:26, 144 bpm
  2. 10:47, 156 bpm
  3. 10:31, 159 bpm
  4. 10:35, 162 bpm
  5. 10:13, 167 bpm
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Post  Nick Morris on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:54 am

Ahhhhhhh!!!!! It's race week ounce!!!!!
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Post  Mark B on Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:12 am

Dude's been sandbagging us all along. I knew it.
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