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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Penelope on Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:21 pm

I like Julie's point, too. Worst case scenario, Chicago is hot / doesn't go well; you've got a backup plan. Best case scenario, you BQ at Chicago and have another marathon to do for fun. There's always Philly, although that's not really one you could drive to. What about somewhere with a beautiful course that you can enjoy, assuming you're not trying to BQ?

The running looks great!
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  mul21 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:14 pm

I was starting to wonder why there hadn't been any updates in a few days. Looks like you're out enjoying some golfing this week. I'm jealous!

So, just wanted to make sure you realize that BQs for 2012 end on September 26th this year and any races after that will be a 2013 BQ with the new standards. Wasn't really sure what you were planning based on the posts.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Nick Morris on Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:22 pm

Nice 10 miler John!! I actually have the same issue with my HR, too. It takes me a couple of miles to get settled down. It is especially bad during races, because I get so amped up. I hope that the golf trip went well and included a lot of birdies Smile
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Kenny B. on Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:34 am

Nice run the other day. HR data the first 2 miles seems off. Are you wetting the HR monitor before you put it on your chest. If I don't wet it a bit the connection is off and my first 1-2 miles is spiked a bit.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Liz R on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:05 am

You have had good luck in Philly, if it comes to that. What about Dallas or Memphis in December? In the past Dallas has filled pretty late if at all.

Here is hoping it isn't an issue.

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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:23 pm

Thanks for checking in, I was on a pretty intense four day golf trip which was pretty good. I've been running and need to catch up on the log and post this weekend when I finally have a chance to catch up.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  John Kilpatrick on Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:03 am

Welcome back - sounds like you had a good time. I had to go back and
look at your original blog entry and I a)think it could be smart to
register a backup marathon if you feel it necessary but b)your training
has gone really well and I think you could have a really great race.

Looks like your marathon pace runs (7:53 or so) this cycle have been on track for a 3:27 or so, which is faster than you had even thought about at first. If you have a rough spot and end up at 3:35 you are still ahead of the game. You know what is best, but I think you should give yourself a lot of credit for the work you have done so far - nobody I don't think runs well in the heat....

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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Julie on Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:58 am

Looks like everything is going great! I don't know about marathons 1 week apart just in case you did run all out in Chicago, your legs will probably not want to run another 26.2 the next wkend. But do whatever makes sense to you, I understand driving to a marathon being easier than flying.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:12 pm

OK, catching up a little bit...



Penelope wrote:I like Julie's point, too. Worst case scenario, Chicago is hot / doesn't go well; you've got a backup plan. Best case scenario, you BQ at Chicago and have another marathon to do for fun. There's always Philly, although that's not really one you could drive to. What about somewhere with a beautiful course that you can enjoy, assuming you're not trying to BQ?

The running looks great!

Thanks Kathy. Also glad to see how well you're doing in my original home town! I have done some thinking about the back up plan, especially with the very hot weather we have now and knowing it's not that long until the marathon.

mul21 wrote:I was starting to wonder why there hadn't been any updates in a few days. Looks like you're out enjoying some golfing this week. I'm jealous!

So, just wanted to make sure you realize that BQs for 2012 end on September 26th this year and any races after that will be a 2013 BQ with the new standards. Wasn't really sure what you were planning based on the posts.

I didn't realize this fact. I am set for 2012 Boston if sign-up is still available when I get my chance. The good thing, I guess, is that with an older age bracket starting for me in 2012, that my BQ time moved out quite a bit although I still want to go as fast as possible.

Nick Morris wrote:Nice 10 miler John!! I actually have the same issue with my HR, too. It takes me a couple of miles to get settled down. It is especially bad during races, because I get so amped up. I hope that the golf trip went well and included a lot of birdies Smile

Nick, it's a little unsettling to have that happen but nothing bad has happened so I don't worry about it. Golf went well, it's hard for a golf trip to go bad when you're out there playing a game!

Kenny B. wrote:Nice run the other day. HR data the first 2 miles seems off. Are you wetting the HR monitor before you put it on your chest. If I don't wet it a bit the connection is off and my first 1-2 miles is spiked a bit.

Thanks Kenny. I think it is something besides the HR strap and connection. I've tried wetting it and using other lubricants on it and it's fairly predictable - the first 10-20 minues usually show my HR all over the place up and down with spikes. Then it settles into a normal pattern.

Liz R wrote:You have had good luck in Philly, if it comes to that. What about Dallas or Memphis in December? In the past Dallas has filled pretty late if at all.

Here is hoping it isn't an issue.

Philly would definitely be my #1 choice. I really wanted to run one in October to allow time to recover and then do a full plan for Boston. Running near the end of November would not allow that. But I still may because my basis belief is I've got to do what I can to run as fast as I can now rather than write it off and try again next year.

John Kilpatrick wrote:Welcome back - sounds like you had a good time. I had to go back and
look at your original blog entry and I a)think it could be smart to
register a backup marathon if you feel it necessary but b)your training
has gone really well and I think you could have a really great race.

Looks like your marathon pace runs (7:53 or so) this cycle have been on track for a 3:27 or so, which is faster than you had even thought about at first. If you have a rough spot and end up at 3:35 you are still ahead of the game. You know what is best, but I think you should give yourself a lot of credit for the work you have done so far - nobody I don't think runs well in the heat....

Thanks John. I agree 3:35 would be ahead of the game, a PR for me. I will probably plan on 8:00 pace, even that will be decided by how a few half marathons go in the next few weeks.

Julie wrote:Looks like everything is going great! I don't know about marathons 1 week apart just in case you did run all out in Chicago, your legs will probably not want to run another 26.2 the next wkend. But do whatever makes sense to you, I understand driving to a marathon being easier than flying.

I am guessing my legs would complain a lot but if Chicago is cool enough and I go for it, I may still do the one a week later, it's part of the marathon maniac mentality!
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:19 pm

I don't think I'll catch up on posting runs for the past week, I ran about 60 miles last week including a 22.5 miler on Saturday. That was a little tough as there was supposed to be a rest day before it but I couldn't do it because of a golf trip. It was pretty warm out too and I'm getting tired of the heat! Today's run was a ten miler and it was almost 80 degrees at 6:00 AM when I set out. I couldn't find my water belt so I had to take a bottle of water which is less than half of what I planned. I am starting to get a little concerned as this run was way too hard. Granted, from Sunday-Wednesday, I was out golfing and didn't eat that great (for running), plus I got hardly any sleep Wednesday night. Still I can't shake the feeling of the past 2-3 weeks that something may be wrong, I'm just putting too much effort into the runs, although at least I am completing them. My HR for today just climbed the whole time, it never reached a stable level. Then, when I weighed myself, I find I am losing weight which I don't want to do. So I need to keep an eye on this.

I have a good test coming up on Monday. For a long run (delayed from Sunday), I am running in a hilly half marathon here. With three miles warm-up and four afterwards, this will be a 20 miler. I plan to do the HM at MP pace for the first half and then see if I can pick it up a little for the second half. Depending on the weather and how hilly it is (I don't train on hills), it should show me where I am at.



SplitTimeDistanceAvg HRHR %
10:09:18110964%
20:08:54112574%
30:08:56112775%
40:09:17112976%
50:08:53113378%
60:09:08113479%
70:09:11113680%
80:09:19113881%
90:09:06113982%
100:09:180.9914485%
Summary1:31:259.9913177%
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  mul21 on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:58 pm

John, I think it's just that point of the training cycle where we're all getting a little beat up and fatigued from all the miles. I'm completely exhausted today and bagged a tempo last week because my HR was so high. Hang in there, taper is just around the corner. And don't be afraid to back off a bit, missing one run here or there isn't going to hurt you and the rest/recovery may be a big help.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:59 pm

Jim, you are definitely correct. I had a stepback week last week which I think helped me a bit. And just knowing that there are only 2-3 weeks to taper is mentally helping out.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:05 pm

Thinking exactly what Jim wrote. I run into this issue all the time for whatever that is worth. Regroup and just listen to your body - please do as I say, not what I do. Taper is around the corner, John and then you will be fine.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:08 pm

Today I ran the Oak Brook half marathon mainly as a training run. I wanted to run a race before the marathon to get in race mode, that is, plan for it ahead of time, eat better, sleep better, etc., but especially rehearse the night before and morning of routines. Most of that stuff went OK except for the morning of. The race is about a half hour from my house on the toll roads. I had the directions all printed and understood how to get there. Then, inexplicably, at the last minute, I said let’s go a different way. The problem is that there was no exit on the toll road where I needed to get off coming from the opposite direction. I wound up driving to O’Hare airport to get turned around as there are so few exits on the toll roads. I was supposed to run two miles before the race as a warm-up but wound up with only time to do 1.5 miles. I’ve never gotten to a race so late before.

The plan for the race was to run MP for 7 miles, and then pick it up a bit. What made this a little challenge is that the course is somewhat hilly (I train on flat ground) and it was fairly windy at times. So I did my best and pretty much went by effort and did not hit all the splits I wanted but came close. All in all, I think it was an excellent long tempo run. This is a really good race, lots of parking, well staffed, good food after and of course 312 beer. Though it was a training race, I think it is my second fastest half marathon ever. My PR is 1:42:15 on a flat course (Indy) and today I ran this in 1:43:50. Pretty happy with the results. I did 3.77 miles afterwards as a warm down for a total long run of 18.37 miles today.

Good news is I beat Sarah Palin! She ran a half yesterday: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-palin-marathon-20110904,0,1357976.story

Race splits:


SplitTimeAvg HRHR %
10:08:0913479%
20:07:5414082%
30:08:0714284%
40:08:2113982%
50:08:0314183%
60:07:5414384%
70:07:5114384%
80:08:0014887%
90:07:4015088%
100:07:4815189%
110:07:4915189%
120:07:4215390%
130:07:3015591%
140:00:4715893%
Summary1:43:4014585%

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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Jim Lentz on Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:35 pm

Very nice, especially considering the wind.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Liz R on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:34 pm

Take that Sarah Palin! Good job. Maybe an andrenaline charge from the directions problem?

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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  jon c on Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:30 pm

Good job on your tempo half. Except for your late arrival, looks like it went well. And to beat Palin must have been the coup de gras. haha
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:48 am

Thanks Jim, Liz and Jon. It was a good race and my quads have been hurting since then from the hills, though it's nothing serious. It should heal quickly since it's mostly flat here.



I feel like I'm starting to get back to normal here now. That golf vacation, while fun, came at the end of an extremely busy month with a flood, vacation and really intensive work so I had too much going on. Back to normal now. Today was an easy 7 miler. I woke up to 50 degree weather so this was almost effortless, except for the quads reminding me they worked hard a few days ago.



SplitDistanceAvg PaceAvg HRHR %
118:5815591%
218:5712272%
318:4012171%
418:3812574%
518:2812775%
618:2512674%
718:2812674%
80.178:4412775%
Summary7.178:3912976%
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  mul21 on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:38 pm

Nice job in the half and good to see the schedule calming down so you can hit these last couple weeks before taper good and hard. Hopefully you're feeling a bit fresher than you were last week?
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Nick Morris on Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:24 pm

Great HM John! It looks like you are getting back in the swing of things. The temps are cooling and your legs are fresh. That sounds like a recipe for some great running!!
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:56 pm

mul21 wrote:Nice job in the half and good to see the schedule calming down so you can hit these last couple weeks before taper good and hard. Hopefully you're feeling a bit fresher than you were last week?

Thanks Jim, I definitely feel better. Too much was going on those past few weeks and I think the lack of sleep made it much worse. Now it's fine.

Nick Morris wrote:Great HM John! It looks like you are getting back in the swing of things. The temps are cooling and your legs are fresh. That sounds like a recipe for some great running!!
it is Nick. 50 degrees yesterday, 58 degrees today! Hopefully it stays cool.



Today was a 10 miler with 10 "pickups" of 40 seconds in the middle (roughly 200m). It worked out well to run to the track (3.5 miles away), do the pickups, and then run back. Another great weather day, a little warmer than yesterday. I still wore a long sleeve shirt mainly trying to will the cold weather to get here.



SplitTimeDistanceAvg PaceAvg HRHR %
10:08:3918:3912171%
20:08:3918:3912272%
30:08:3918:3912473%
40:08:0718:0712976%Includes 40 second pickups
50:07:4417:4413781%Includes 40 second pickups
60:07:4817:4813781%Includes 40 second pickups
70:08:0618:0613881%Includes 40 second pickups
80:08:3018:3013479%
90:08:3918:3912976%
100:08:5218:5212976%
110:00:300.059:3513579%
Summary1:24:1810.058:2313076%


Wow, looking at this after I posted it, I had three identical splits going out there and it equaled one on the way back!
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Chris M on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:46 pm

Long sleeve....I'm so jealous. I'm looking forward to that. What we really need is that on October 9.
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Julie on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:51 pm

Great training! I wore long sleeves yesterday but had them rolled up after 1 or 2 miles so short sleeves tomorrow. Oh well, welcome Fall!!
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  JohnP on Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:07 pm

Chris M wrote:Long sleeve....I'm so jealous. I'm looking forward to that. What we really need is that on October 9.

Definitely agree. We're back to short sleeves now but later this week, looks like it is cooling down again.

Julie wrote:Great training! I wore long sleeves yesterday but had them rolled up after 1 or 2 miles so short sleeves tomorrow. Oh well, welcome Fall!!

Definitely welcome the cooler weather. It made a huge difference today.



Friday

I ran this on the TM to force myself to go at recovery pace. Five miles at 9:31 pace. I should have gone even slower but this seemed good.



Saturday

Well, whatever doubts I had from the less than stellar long runs during the heat were erased today. The plan called for 22-24 miles, easy, long time on your feet type of run. If I felt OK, it said to do the last three at MP. I had some misgivings based on a few other longer runs in AUgust but today went very well. I told myself to go extra slow but it wound up being a normal long run pace. The cloud cover almost the whole time, along with it being in the mid-uppers 60s made a huge difference. After 21, I decided to try the MP as I felt OK. I made it but I did have 2 short breaks in there waiting for traffic lights. Still, this run was about as good as it gets. Total run - 24 miles in 3:32, I stopped the second the Garmin clicked over to 24.



SplitAvg PaceAvg HRHR %
18:5811467%
29:0712272%
39:2012272%
49:0112674%
58:5912674%
68:4812674%
78:5412775%
88:5612473%
98:5513076%
109:0312674%
118:5512875%
128:4812976%
139:0212976%
148:5613177%
158:5313378%
169:0413378%
179:0313881%
188:5414183%
198:5114183%
209:0114686%
218:5414585%
227:5515591%
237:5415692%
247:5115792%
Summary8:5013378%
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Re: Running Chicago, for me

Post  Julie on Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:16 pm

awesome 24 mi run, John! I am eager to see your race report when marathon day is here!
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