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Post  Kenny B. on Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:53 am

Sorry to hear about these issues. Nice running despite them and 20 miles looks good. I agree 20oz of fluid just ain't enough in summer running and why only Gatorade? A lot of sugar IMO. I usually consume 20 oz of water per 9 miles and then 8 oz of gatorade at mile 13 if running 16 or more miles. So on 20 I typically look at 40 oz of water give or take and 8 oz gatorade around 50 oz total including 3 gu's for 20.
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Post  mul21 on Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:11 pm

I know exactly how you feel with the upper respiratory crap. I've been fighting post nasal drip that's caused fits of hacking phlegm for the last week and a half. Nice job getting out and doing something in spite of it. I had a few days that were touch and go and I didn't have it nearly as bad as you did.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Dave-O on Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:49 pm

Solid end to the week after what sounds like a painful first half of the week.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:08 am

In the calm before the blast of heat this weekend, we had a glorious morning under 60 degrees. I knew it was going to be cool this morning and couldn't sleep well. Too excited. I ran at 4:30AM--no carb run.

I ran 10 miles. The first 5 miles were run in about 37:30 and my last 4 miles before the cooldown were 7:30, 7:08, 7:32, and 7:02. The times correspond to the terrain fairly well. I'm quite pleased.

Maybe I will be able to cram in enough mileage to BQ in 3.5 weeks. I'm going to channel my inner Matt W. and see if undertraining works as well for me.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:26 am

We watch 'Despicable Me' a lot with our kids. Today's weather reminds me of the scene where Gru says "My Toyrn" and proceeds to blow up the space alien and the concession kid's red afro to help win the fluffy unicorn. Today, I'm the kid with the scorched red afro. The dew point this morning ranged from 71-76 depending where on my route you were.

I never knew there was such a difference between weather stations so close to each other.

Decisions, decisions... Do I run my 20 tomorrow when the dew point is 74-78 or wait until Sunday when it cools down but I'm exhausted from spending several hours in the heat covering The Lobster Bowl in Biddeford(football all-star game with graduated and a few soon-to-be HS seniors) and going boating with friends just before that game?

I'll probably only get to 70 miles this week because I only ran 6 on Monday after my 30 mile weekend and nothing Tuesday.

64 miles in 5 days seem pretty decent, however.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:53 am

Two weeks and counting...



Monday 10 easy

Wednesday 5 with 5x800 meter @3k effort; 2-3 minute interval

Thursday 14

Friday rest

Satruday 8 at MP

Today 18 miles at MP+ 30-40s on a gloriously cool morning and a slightly new route(more shade).





56 miles.



I think I can BQ, but I don't know if the gap will be enough to actually get into Boston. If not, I'm running Exeter, a qualification race put on by runners rather than a corporation.





Birthday tomorrow.



Our kids had soccer camp all week and did great. Even though Emme is only 3, she's learning from the best(her brother).



I think Jurgin's hiring will turn out to be a mistake(US Soccer). We needed him 8 years ago when we had the talent. I hope I'm wrong. And for all the lovefest over Brazil and Argentina, why can't folks recognize that Uruguay has serious talent and a great defense?

Final 4 for the World Cup and they stomped Paraguay in the Copa final.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Schuey on Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:21 am

Training is looking good Jim. I agree with you I think you can BQ also, the question will be what will the demand be and were will the cutoff be.

Glad to see that running is going well for you again. How was the H.S. all-star game? Is the H.S. football good in Maine?
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:52 am

Interesting birthday. I wore out the kids in the morning with 60 reps up and down the stairs and around the first level chasing after the "Robot", namely me. In clinic that afternoon(and into the evening), I had to transfer a kid down to Portland for emergency decompression of a spine lesion(probably benign) that was causing numbness down his entire body. Crossed fingers today!!



The birthday dinner was great--crab cakes , duck, and red wine. I love ordering dishes that I wouldn't normally eat at home. The kids helped me open up the presents and blow out the candles when we got home.





It's funny. I ask a question about marathon prediction, but the answers don't really help me. I know I'm not in 3:00-3:05 shape. Maybe by October I will be. The bigger question is whether I can run a 3:20 and shave off 10 minutes of my BQ. If I am unable to come close to that or even have thoughts that I cannot do it, then I should spend the money to fly to Vegas for the high school class reunion I'm missing(@ the Red Rock Casino). I can't believe how many folks are going. Much larger than the 10th and 20th, both of which I missed due to work.



At least the thought of the reunion has taught me more about facebook and helped me reconnect with folks that I haven't seen in years.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Seth Harrison on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:10 am

jimd wrote:



At least the thought of the reunion has taught me more about facebook and helped me reconnect with folks that I haven't seen in years.

Without question, the best thing about Facebook has been how many old friends I've reconnected with. While I'm not an everyday FB updater like some folks, the amount of people I've been in touch with after so many years has made it a very valuable tool.
Your birthday dinner looked great. I hope you're enjoying the day.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Kenny B. on Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:57 pm

@Seth Harrison wrote:
jimd wrote:



At least the thought of the reunion has taught me more about facebook and helped me reconnect with folks that I haven't seen in years.

Without question, the best thing about Facebook has been how many old friends I've reconnected with. While I'm not an everyday FB updater like some folks, the amount of people I've been in touch with after so many years has made it a very valuable tool.
Your birthday dinner looked great. I hope you're enjoying the day.

Funny my FB has almost no one I know from the past. Everyone is either running strangers or running friends all in the virtual world pretty much. And then the few I befriend or the befriend me from the past have not much to say or say to much. (including me).

Anyways go run!
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:58 pm

I almost forgot to post my experience at the Lobster Bowl. Two high school all star squads of post graduate seniors are split into East-West squads. The game benefits the Shriners. They practice together all week in Hebron and share helmet stickers. The game was held in Biddeford and was played in 100 degree heat(really hot for Maine) but we had a decent breeze. A few kids, including a cheerleader, who had concussions earlier in the week didn't do so well in the heat. We also had a kid knocked out cold and another with a separated shoulder.



With 4 minutes to go, one of our guys on the West squad took the kickoff and raced down the middle of the field only to be swarmed by 3 tacklers. As his shoe flew off in the hands of a would be tackler, he broke free of the other two and ran down the sideline for the GW TD. Fun time.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:42 pm

In 2 week taper mode:



5 miles at MP minus 30 seconds, roughly 35:20. Wasn't too bad.

HR 153 at the end of the final mile.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Kenny B. on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:50 am

You are in Taper now? Enjoy!
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Jim Lentz on Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:16 pm

Enjoy the taper.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:06 pm

Yep, 6 days until the race.



4 miles at MP today.

8 miles tomorrow easy

Wednesay--a bit of speedwork(200's)

Thursday--some MP miles
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  ChasMcG on Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:17 am

6 days! Good luck! You're going to kick some booty!
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  John Kilpatrick on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:52 pm

Are you shooting for a 7:00 pace? That ball game sounded brutal...

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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Schuey on Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:10 pm

@John Kilpatrick wrote:Are you shooting for a 7:00 pace? That ball game sounded brutal...


Good luck with the race and what is the goal or plan for this one?
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:31 am

The course is hilly including A 100 FOOT CLIMB OVER MILE 25.

So Schuey and John, my goals are quite modest. I was sick most of June and then got sick again in July for a few weeks. As if having the ankle fracture was not enough. So I have had about 3 good weeks of training. Yikes!!



All I want is 3:20-3:25. My BQ is 3:30. I have another 7-8 weeks afterward to improve speed with a high mileage half marathon program to prepare for the Portland Marathon October 3rd. The goal there is 3:05-3:10. When I am once again able to run 5-7 miles at 6:30 pace, then the sub-3 game is back on!!



The ankle fracture and time needed to heal wiped away all the previous training I had done from 2007-2010. I'm slow but getting there and it just takes time and patience.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Chris M on Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:07 am

7:40s? You've got that no problem. Just don't get greedy early on and start running low 7s because you feel good in the first half. Since you don't have the huge mileage base under you anymore, you'll need to save your energy for those final miles by running very relaxed in the 7:30-7:40 pace range. Miles under 7:30 are, in my view, a mistake for you in this race given the goal to just notch a BQ. Remember the mission and keep it relaxed and at an easier pace right on through that big hill at 25. An 'easy' BQ would be very nice, no? Then you can look at being more a little more aggressive for October and of course for April 2012 where you can really go for it.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Diego on Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:47 pm

Hmm. I guess it will be Boston 2013. This course kicked ... my... butt.

It was fun and interesting, but the hardest one I have ever run. No excuses. I just wasn't trained well enough with only 3-4 weeks of decent training since May. I was still down 5 lbs after I drove back home. So I think I lost close to 8-10 lbs(6%). I'll work on that. I bet that didn't help much.



I ran/walked the last 14 miles at about 9 min/mile after it was apparent that there was no way I could hold 8 minute pace for another 14 miles. (3:44 total--21/83-- winning time 2:37 that would have been sub 2:30 in Chicago) They also had a half, 5 miler, and pole walk.



Now I can resume training later this week. Minor soreness and a bit of sunburn despite sunscreen. Portland Marathon October 3 coming up.



If you look at the course map elevation, please recognize that it is in meters. http://0101.nccdn.net/1_5/200/308/308/Marathon-2011.pdf

Hmm, I just noticed that the map is off a bit. From 12-14 it is a continuous climb. I expected the turnaround point at 13.1 and it kept going up the hill for another 3/4 miles. That was my BQ death knell. Oh well. I had low expectations coming in. I have never raced in August before and now know why.



For families, a nice clean pond is right next to the start. Kayaking, geocaching, rock climbing, and hiking are all available while waiting for the racers. The 4.5 hour drive up the day before and then right after the race was gorgeous.



They supplied gels at 5-6 of the stops and had oranges and bananas at several stops to go with the H20 and gatorade every two miles. Nice post race spread. Pizza, bagels, fruit, nice chocolaty snacks, fresh ginger cookies, live music.



I also had a great time with my family from Wyoming for a few days before the race, doing the beach and board/ body surfing thing at Old Orchard Beach.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  John Kilpatrick on Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:06 pm

Sorry it didn't work out as hoped, but you actually DO have an excuse. Sounds like you had a fun trip and can just chalk it up as another marathon down and a good training run. Hopefully your ankle felt OK? After looking at the elevations, I'm surprised you are only a little sore!

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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Chris M on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:26 pm

Aren't marathons fun? Lots of time before Portland so you got a very nice very long run in. Build on that! How about this....if you run a 2012 BQ at Portland, buy your way into Boston through the charity route and run it this upcoming April. The way I understand it, you would still get the correct number/corral based on your Portland 2011 time. You would have to raise a bunch of money but pick a good cause and I'll be the first to contribute.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Michele "1L" Keane on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:58 pm

No worries, Jim - you have plenty of time to re-group for Portland. Hope the recovery is going well, and just take it as a long run which it was.
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Re: Starting over in Maine

Post  Penelope on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:39 pm

@Michele "1L" Keane wrote:No worries, Jim - you have plenty of time to re-group for Portland. Hope the recovery is going well, and just take it as a long run which it was.



What Michele said.

Best of luck with the rest of training. It'll prob be much better temps for Portland.
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